Remember your first cell phone? For some it was a BlackBerry, the do-it-all device with a physical keyboard that took the business world by storm. Today no one owns a BlackBerry. What happened?

BlackBerry tells the rise and fall story of the world’s first smartphone created by Mike Lazaridis (Jay Baruchel) and Doug Fregin (Matthew Johnson) with a little help from Harvard business grad and budding psychopath Jim Balsillie (Glenn Howerton). Together, the trio shot to the top of the cell phone market only to see their success come crashing down through collective hubris and a pesky start-up called Apple.

Join Jon and Tim as they discuss the value of traditions, baseball in October, underrated Halloween movies, why we like rise and fall stories, old-school cell phones, where technology ends and humanity begins, the spiritual practice of the present, the Gospel vs. Corporate America, and gaining the world to lose your soul.